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A place to talk about teacher training (views: 4565)

Online (Online) - Wed, 17 Jan 2007
ykle

This forum is back online again (which is great) but it hasn't yet returned to form. This forum used to be a haven for discussions related to teacher training. Where have all the TESOL training threads (and posters) gone? Like I said, it's good to see this forum back online. Now my only hope is that it attracts some of the old timers back again. ....

A place to chase our tails (views: 4500)

Online (Online) - Mon, 22 Jan 2007
Posted by eigoman

I'm still here and I remain game to talk about teacher training. I agree that there were some great threads and I was always happy to contribute them but it kind of got old after a while. We all agreed that a B.Ed in TESOL was the way to go and we all conceded that the powers that be would never let that happen. Like dogs chasing our tails, I think we went from motivated to exasperated to exhausted. ;) ....

Re: A place to talk about teacher training (views: 4508)

Online (Online) - Wed, 17 Jan 2007
Posted by TESall.com

We would like to see that happen as well. For a time, TESall.com was *the* place to discuss teacher training above and beyond the usual brand vs. brand disputes that often bog forums down. ....

Reading through the old postings (views: 4525)

Online (Online) - Tue, 28 Nov 2006
myball

There are some great postings on this site. Lots of interesting opinions and good information. Glad to see that it is back on-line. ....

What's up at GajinPot? (views: 6310)

Online (Online) - Fri, 24 Nov 2006
GoTeacher

The site has been down for most of the week. Anyone know what is going on there? http://www.gaijinpot.com ....

Coming soon to pay-per-view: ESL Cafe vs. TESOL? (views: 4375)

Online (Online) - Wed, 22 Nov 2006
eigoman

What do people think of the recent Guardian blub that has TESOL (the US-based teacher's organization) going after ESL Cafe's market share for job and resume ads? ....

Re: Coming soon to pay-per-view: ESL Cafe vs. TESOL? (views: 4599)

Online (Online) - Thu, 23 Nov 2006
Posted by Guy Courchesne

I think they have a long rod and a tall mountain to climb. But, you never know... ....

Re: Coming soon to pay-per-view: ESL Cafe vs. TESOL? (views: 4469)

Online (Online) - Fri, 24 Nov 2006
Posted by GoTeacher

I agree with Guy. Many have tried and many have failed. EFL Cafe didn't become what it is overnight and it isn't likely that Dave is going to be knocked out of the number one slot any time soon, even by a major player like TESOL. ....

A king and his people (views: 4453)

Online (Online) - Wed, 03 Jan 2007
Posted by eigoman

Does a people need its king more than a king needs his people? Dave better hope so. He should reward the masses who make his site the fantastic resource that it is but he doesn't. With all that revenue it would be nice to see him toss some crumbs (t-shirts, textbooks, etc. via draws or to reward posters on the forums for their contributions) to those responsible for his success. ....

eslcafe sucks (views: 4831)

Online (Online) - Sat, 13 Jan 2007
Posted by ESL is Dead

too many flaming know-it-all trolling spam **** on that site for my taste. eslcafe used to be good, but now its clogged with crappy information and entrenched overzealous expats. ....

Re: eslcafe sucks (views: 5617)

Online (Online) - Sun, 08 Jul 2007
Posted by GoTeacher

"[ESL Cafe is] clogged with crappy information..." I don't believe this is the case. In fact, don't think it is for the most part possible given the number of posters there and site's resulting ability to self-regulate. Anyone posting misleading and/or "crappy" information is usually confronted or corrected in short order. There are always exceptions but for the most part ESL Cafe still works and works well. ....

Re: eslcafe sucks (not) (views: 5199)

Online (Online) - Wed, 18 Jul 2007
Posted by eigoman

Whether you like Dave or not, you have to acknowledge the site's merits. Whether you like the site's look or functionality, you have to acknowledge the site's merits. More users, more information and more resources than any other site on the Internet. Enough said. ....

Re: eslcafe sucks (views: 4533)

Online (Online) - Tue, 16 Jan 2007
Posted by eigoman

I'm still a daily visitor to the Cafe. While I agree that every post made there isn't golden, I can't say I am aware of any site where that isn't the case. There is still new information and good advice to be had there, even from the "entrenched" posters.;) All that being said, I do understand your frustration. I don't post there anymore. ....

Teaching online to students in Asia (views: 4098)

Online (Online) - Wed, 15 Nov 2006
Stevo

Do any of the big chain schools in Asia employ teachers in the USA and Canada to teach their students online? I would like to get a start teaching English with a school that might be able to employ me overseas in the future. ....

Re: Teaching online to students in Asia (views: 4350)

Online (Online) - Mon, 20 Nov 2006
Posted by GoTeacher

I believe YES Youngdo employs overseas online teachers. I saw an ad somewhere over the summer for teachers based in North America to teach online to their students in Korea. ....

WebBBS vs. phpBB in the battle for TEFL forum supremacy (views: 6560)

Online (Online) - Fri, 10 Nov 2006
TESall.com

It's no contest on paper but our experience over the last six months has resulted in a split decision. For some reason, people like the WebBBS format. It's easy to look at and easy to use. From our standpoint, it's also easy to administer and we like that about it but not much else. Simply stated, phpBB is vastly superior to WebBBS but, as stated above, this is not a paper competition. In the real world that is TESall.com, some users obviously pr....

Re: WebBBS vs. phpBB in the battle for TEFL forum supremacy (views: 5231)

Online (Online) - Tue, 02 Jan 2007
Posted by carol

no registration to post on webbbs? aren't you overwhealmed with spam? ....

Dealing with SPAM on this board (views: 4616)

Online (Online) - Mon, 08 Jan 2007
Posted by TESall.com

We get a lot of SPAM but because all postings on this board have to be approved, it never gets past the queue so it isn't really a problem. ....

Re: Dealing with SPAM on this board (views: 4655)

Online (Online) - Tue, 08 Jan 2008
Posted by Just a visitor

You said you get a lot of SPAM. Should consider upgrading to the latest version then. The latest version, 5.22, has some very effective spam blocking features. ....

One site, two forums: WebBBS and phpBB forums both online (views: 4806)

Online (Online) - Wed, 22 Mar 2006
TESall.com

TESall.com's new phpBB version of this forum is now online. You can now post to this forum and the new forum. The new forum has many more features than this one BUT it requires registration. This forum remains open to the general public BUT postings are moderated and must wait for approval to prevent spam. ....

Re: One site, two forums: WebBBS and phpBB forums both online (views: 5000)

Online (Online) - Sun, 19 Nov 2006
Posted by Guy Courchesne

Good idea! As you noted earlier this year, the other forum format gets lots of views but less participation, whereas this one seems to get more comments - where's Rheno by the way? ....

Glad to be back in familiar territory (views: 4693)

Online (Online) - Mon, 20 Nov 2006
Posted by eigoman

I like this better. Adapting to the new forum wasn't as bad as I thought it would be but this is my preference. Glad to be back! ....

Re: Glad to be back in familiar territory (views: 4494)

Online (Online) - Fri, 24 Nov 2006
Posted by Guy Courchesne

Gah...in this format, one can't edit the posts after they're made. Get your Firefox spell checkers on. ....

Fake Qualifications (views: 2510)

Online (Online) - Wed, 22 Mar 2006
Martin McMorrow

"Rheno" - I think your views on fake qualifications are perfectly understandable from your perspective. You've said that you view the training course you did as a waste of time and money. You seem to believe that you didn't learn anything of any value or relevance and that the students that you teach aren't motivated enough to derive any benefit from good teaching even if it were provided. Other people reading these postings may have had differen....

pattaya school (views: 4261)

Online (Online) - Thu, 16 Mar 2006
Bob McKenzie

I have waded through scores of TEFL/TESOL/CELTA/PELT course ads, but I can't find any that operate out of Pattaya, Thailand. I have 5 years of teaching in Korea, so I really just want to pad my resume, near a beach, with a certificate to show for a study/vacation. Anyone know of a course that begins late April/early May in Pattaya? ps. Feel free to hit me up on any ideas out of South Korea. ....

Huh? (views: 4380)

Online (Online) - Thu, 16 Mar 2006
Posted by Rheno747

You have five years of teaching already? Why even get a TESOL? Go to Kaoh San Road and get a fake one made up and go to work. Your situation mirrors one I read about in the BKK Post maybe a year or so ago. A guy with a master's degree in education and ten years teaching experience was nothing without a TESOL, so he had to drop what he was doing and go get one. Yeah, in the TESOL universe, anybody who is a nobody can get a TESOL and suddenly he's ....

Job in Norway for student or person without full day occupation (views: 4259)

Online (Online) - Thu, 16 Mar 2006
Peter Bunt

Baltic Trade company have a vacant places of courrier in Norway. 2-3 hours of occupation per day. After 3-4 weeks of work we sign the contract. For more information contact please: Peter Bunt, peter.bunt@opentrade.cc, ICQ #199376162. ....

Information about teaching in Italy (views: 4323)

Online (Online) - Wed, 15 Mar 2006
Laura

My friend and I really want to teach English in Italy, I've been researching it and it seems quite hard with not many options. Can anyone help me out and give me a little more information and input? ....

Re: Information about teaching in Italy (views: 3979)

Online (Online) - Thu, 16 Mar 2006
Posted by Henry

Did you check here? http://free-esl.com/channels/cnotes/display.asp?fIndex=21 Basically it depends - like most EFL jobs - on your experienc, qualifications and nationality. If you're from Europe it's a lot easier. If you've got a degree and cert then it's easier. If you've got some extra cash to begin with to ensure you can survive till you get full time work then it's easier. More facts are needed! :) ....

You may need the EU passport (views: 2355)

Online (Online) - Thu, 16 Mar 2006
Posted by Rheno747

To work in Italy as an English teacher, you'll probably need an EU passport if you're from the USA. If you're from Australia or NZ, you may need one as well. I believe a non-EU passport holder can get an EU passport if he or she has a close relative who is a citizen of one of the EU countries. Look into it. ....

In the news -- Top headlines from the world of teaching and travelling (views: 4164)

Online (Online) - Wed, 15 Mar 2006
TESall.com

Visit TESall.com's news ticker for ESL/EFL teachers for these headlines and much more: English-language lecturer at Zayed University in UAE fired for handing-out controversial cartoon of Muhammed "Once-in-a-lifetime" opportunity to teach English as a second language in Northern Iraq Nova turns working holiday dream into broken English nightmare for Aussie English teacher in Japan Future of Gaza's only English-language school in doubt after hostag....

Not that I'm anti-Nova but.... (views: 4873)

Online (Online) - Mon, 20 Mar 2006
Posted by eigoman

give me a break!!! "Nova's head of overseas recruitment, Stephen Farley, an Australian, denies Nova is unfair to its employees and says there were faults on Dorman's side, but it ended the legal action to avoid further costs." Uh-huh. Nova was worried about the costs. A company worth (I suspect) hundreds of millions of dollars which isn't unfair and therefore had everything in the world to gain by proving this teacher wrong in court. ....

And who is pushing these places? (views: 3872)

Online (Online) - Thu, 16 Mar 2006
Posted by Rheno747

And who the hell is pushing these places as acceptable environments for teachers? Yeah, like I'd want to go teach in what may soon become a major (civil) war zone. ....

Re: And who is pushing these places? (views: 4135)

Online (Online) - Sat, 18 Mar 2006
Posted by Raoul Duke

Hostage videos, claims of responsibility for atrocities, reading manuals for illegally-acquired weapons, submitting long psychotic ranting diatribes to the western media...hey, even terrorists need to use English in today's global environment! ....

Re: And who is pushing these places? (views: 3952)

Online (Online) - Sat, 18 Mar 2006
Posted by Guy Courchesne

I recall seeing an ad for an English teacher in Mosul, Iraq as far back as summer 2003, just after the declared 'end of hostilities'. I had expected such a job to offer really good pay and benefits (flak jacket, side arm) but it mentioned offering 'pay comensurate with local wages'. There must be some measure of peace up in norhtern Iraq to be able to offer anything like that. You don't hear much by way of attacks in Kurd territory. Maybe it's no....

It's a three-for-all in Iraq (views: 4670)

Online (Online) - Sat, 18 Mar 2006
Posted by Rheno747

I had a momentary lapse of reason and thought that myself once--"Kurd-controlled Iraq may not be all that bad", or something like that. I then remembered the Sunnis were the ruling group in Iraq from like 1920 until the recent 'downfall'. That is a lot of time for a minority group (Sunnis are only about 20% of the population in Iraq) to become established. I also remembered reading about a huge theft of legal tender, something on the order of 900....

Teaching in northern Iraq (views: 4091)

Online (Online) - Thu, 16 Mar 2006
Posted by Rheno747

I like the article about the "once-in-a-lifetime" opportunity to teach English as a second language in Northern Iraq. 'Once-in-a-lifetime' is probably accurate. I go to northern Iraq to teach, a civil war breaks out in Iraq, and my life ends in some attack somewhere. Perhaps the title of the article should be 'once-in-a-very-short-lifetime'. ....

Re: Teaching in northern Iraq (views: 4074)

Online (Online) - Thu, 16 Mar 2006
Posted by Raoul Duke

Yeah. I kinda like my head to fly home on the same plane as the rest of me. ....

English teacher fired over cartoon (views: 4398)

Online (Online) - Thu, 16 Mar 2006
Posted by eigoman

I'm sorry, but while I'm all for free speech I'm also for respect, not to mention responsibility. At a time when emotions are running high, I doubt other EFL teachers in predominently Muslim countries are very appreciative of incidents like this that might attract unwanted attention and negative associations. ....

Re: English teacher fired over cartoon (views: 4193)

Online (Online) - Thu, 16 Mar 2006
Posted by hoodoo guru

Is this guy just super-dumb or did he want to get fired? Actually, he was lucky that's all that happened to him. ....

Career change? (views: 4232)

Online (Online) - Tue, 14 Mar 2006
Rheno747

I don't know if you guys can help me, but does anyone know of anyone from the west who has gone to med school in the Philipines? I'm thinking of going to a (cheap) uni there to learn dentistry. ....

A pretty good grammar site (views: 4319)

Online (Online) - Mon, 13 Mar 2006
Rheno747

http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/ ....

Re: A pretty good grammar site (views: 4380)

Online (Online) - Thu, 16 Mar 2006
Posted by eigoman

Great link, Rheno747. Thanks! ....

Overstays in Thailand come with a higher price (views: 4421)

Online (Online) - Mon, 13 Mar 2006
Rheno747

Thailand increases the penalty for overstaying visas to 500 baht per day beginning March 15. I believe the maximum charge will remain 20,000 baht, however. If your overstay is fourty days on March 16, you'll be paying 20,000. If your overstay is fourty years on March 16, you'll be paying 20,000. ....

ST PATRICKS PARTY - MAR 17 (views: 4214)

Online (Online) - Mon, 13 Mar 2006
jimmy

HAPPY ST. PATRICK¡¯S DAY ST. PATTI¡¯S WITH PARTYNENGLISH (Friday on March 17th 2006) OkayKorea is promoting their 4th party in celebrating St. Patrick¡¯s. PartynEnglish is inviting you to our St. Patti¡¯s Party 2006. The Party is scheduled for Friday, March 17thth from 8:00 pm ~ 5:00 am. It will be at Gangnam Station. We are hoping to bring all the Korean and English speaking communities together to share St. Patrick¡¯s Day in Korea. Es....

Kung-Fu (views: 4302)

Online (Online) - Mon, 13 Mar 2006
Jimmy Arnold

Hello, my name's Jimmy Arnold. I currently live and teach English in Dalian, China. I'm looking for some other people who like Chinese Gong Fu or, preferably a teacher. I've studied Shaolin Gong Fu from a private teacher for about 5 years now and I just moved to Dalian from Seattle, WA. I need to find a teacher or at least some friends who like and want to practice gongfu. Write me at skankincarrot@hotmail.com ....

TESL certification (views: 4537)

Online (Online) - Wed, 08 Mar 2006
Josh

Hey folks, I was wondering if you all have any suggestions for the best place to get TESL/TEFL certification? It seems like there's so many choices, I'm not sure where would be the best place. Thanks in advance. ....

Re: TESL certification (views: 4842)

Online (Online) - Wed, 08 Mar 2006
Posted by Henry

Where do you want to teach and what experience do you have? At the moment it's a bit like asking "what kind of car should I buy?" It's horses for courses, in other words. ....

Re: TESL certification (views: 5112)

Online (Online) - Wed, 15 Mar 2006
Posted by J

May I jump in here? I'm in the same boat. I've just graduated from the university with a journalism degree. I was thinking of teaching overseas. After looking through a mind-numbing amount of TESL internet advertisements, I'm more confused than when I started. There seems to be different governing bodies, different terms of use, accredited programs, associated programs etc. Does anyone know where I can find an unbiased bottom line article on TEFL....

The TEFL test drive (views: 4371)

Online (Online) - Wed, 15 Mar 2006
Posted by Rheno747

I'm an advocate of 'test-driving' TEFL first. Get a fake certificate and dive into the industry to see if you even like it. Don't be like a lot of us and spend good money on a (good) program and find out teaching TESOL isn't for you. My program was great, as were the programs taken by some of my colleagues. However, we take TESOL courses to get JOBS, ultimately. And that's where the problems start. I know of people who chucked TEFL (and their exp....

Re: The TEFL test drive (views: 4469)

Online (Online) - Thu, 16 Mar 2006
Posted by eigoman

I'm not sure exactly what Rheno747 means by a "fake certificate." If he is referring to some of the cheaper courses out there that fall short of industry-accepted standards (100+6), then his advice makes sense even if his labelling is flawed. If he is referring to diploma mills that print certificates for a fee and require little or no work, I would caution you to be wary. If he is referring to fake versions of real certificates (eg. CELTA), you ....

The fake TESOL (views: 13047)

Online (Online) - Thu, 16 Mar 2006
Posted by Rheno747

Remember, I'm talking about a fake TESOL, not a fake degree. There IS a difference. In Thailand one can get a counterfeit TESOL made up easily. Many teachers run on fakes here. I work with three teachers running on fake credentials, and these guys have been doing that for years without any problems. They make me wish I would have gone the fake route with my own TESOL. Yeap, I sit at my college beside three other guys. I have a real TESOL and a re....

Re: The fake TESOL (views: 6339)

Online (Online) - Thu, 17 Jul 2008
Posted by armia

After all I have read about fake TESOL certificates is there anybody here that could tell me which is the best mill company that makes the most autentic and what are the most important things to have on it? Thank you. ....

Re: The fake TESOL (views: 5335)

Online (Online) - Wed, 17 Jan 2007
Posted by TESall.com

Recent developments in Thailand make this a thread worthy of resurrection. We posted the following headline and link to the TESall Ticker today: Foreign English teachers arrested in Thailand for using fake TESOL certificates ....

Re: The fake TESOL (views: 4769)

Online (Online) - Tue, 23 Jan 2007
Posted by bigtime

Fake is fake but what really is real? ....

Re: The fake TESOL (views: 4843)

Online (Online) - Mon, 20 Nov 2006
Posted by Josh S.

I use to be one of those white faced recruiters you speak of. I find it amazing how teachers(well that's what they like to be called anyways; anyone who has been to Korea knows that the majority of people there fall into one of the following categories, backpacker, geek, or partier) whine and complain when a school lies or bends the truth about small matters, likewise when a recruiter blows something out of proportion, however the applicants thin....

English teachers in Korea (views: 4917)

Online (Online) - Mon, 20 Nov 2006
Posted by eigoman

Your post is riddled with generalizations and stereotypes but I find myself agreeing with it for the most part. Pointing the finger in Korea requires turning in a circle, over and over again. ....

Re: The fake TESOL (views: 5025)

Online (Online) - Sat, 18 Mar 2006
Posted by Henry

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't those Canadians thrown out of Korea for having fake certs? I'd still maintain doing a cheap course (but good) rather than nothing at all. If only for one's own inner peace! ....

Not sure, but when I went to SK... (views: 4722)

Online (Online) - Sat, 18 Mar 2006
Posted by Rheno747

I'm not sure, H. However, when I was looking around on Dave's site about a year ago, a cert wasn't required for most of the jobs in SK. A degree is required by the government where I teach. A TESOL is something most schools require, but I don't think the government requires it for the work permit or visa. If it does require a TESOL, I'd simply get a fake if I were coming here today knowing what I know now. Again, it's all about putting smiles on ....

Re: The fake TESOL (views: 5312)

Online (Online) - Sat, 18 Mar 2006
Posted by Guy Courchesne

The Canadians were arrested and deported for having fake degrees issued by a recruiter, and not certs. Still, it's probably not a good idea to hand in any type of forged document to an immigration department without knowing the consequences first. By Rheno's account, you could fake your way through Thailand. I'm sure there are other countries where you could try that. ....

Faking vs. defrauding school owners and/or immigration officials (views: 4940)

Online (Online) - Sun, 19 Mar 2006
Posted by eigoman

"...it's probably not a good idea to hand in any type of forged document to an immigration department without knowing the consequences first." I agree, Guy. Unless you are intimately familiar with the criminal code of your host country including case law and precedents related to the presentation of both academic and non-academic credentials, I would not recommened using a fake TESOL certificate or a fake university degree. Faking doesn't sound n....

I'd get a fake TESOL knowing what I know now (views: 5239)

Online (Online) - Sun, 19 Mar 2006
Posted by Rheno747

Knowing what I know about Thailand now, I'd get a fake TESOL. I've seen too many success stories from users of fakes to go the legit route. I also know what the students are like here, and there is no way I'd again drop good money on a real cert to teach 'em. So, we're in a quandry. The consequences for using a fake TESOL, assuming there ARE any, may be so high it makes trying to use one 'not worth it'. If one drops a pretty penny to get a real T....

Distinguishing fake from fraud (views: 5262)

Online (Online) - Mon, 20 Mar 2006
Posted by eigoman

If a person were to purchase a uniquely branded piece of paper that said, "TESOL certificate" on it, that would in my opinion constitute a fake credential. If he purchased one that had the name of an established program provider on it, that would likely constitute fraud. The former is a sad commentary on the state of our unregulated industry. The latter is, I think, potentially criminal. ....

Fake=fraud? (views: 4962)

Online (Online) - Mon, 20 Mar 2006
Posted by Rheno747

I guess it depends on where you are and what's required to land a job. I know fake degrees in Thailand are bad news, but fake TESOLs are a different matter. Both are supposedly required, but only those who are found to be teaching on fake degrees have ever gotten the boot, as far as I know. I don't think Thailand cares if a TESOL is real or not, especially if one has a real degree in English. TESOLs aren't required in SK, but they may give one a ....

You could probably fake your way through here, sure. (views: 4863)

Online (Online) - Sat, 18 Mar 2006
Posted by Rheno747

GC, I'll bet a high-school drop-out could arrive in Thailand, get a fake bachelor's degree (complete with transcripts) and a fake TESOL, and he'd be just fine. The odds of a school checking him out are slim to almost none. A recruiter may check his ass, but the natives most likely won't. This is mostly because Thais have a colossal inferiority complex when it comes to their English abilities. Thais believe they don't speak English well enough to ....

Re: The TEFL test drive (views: 4473)

Online (Online) - Thu, 16 Mar 2006
Posted by J

Rheno, Thanks for your input! When you say "fake" do you mean the cheapest course available that can be taken on-line? You also mentioned that you enjoyed the course you took. Would you be so kind as to tell me who provides that course? Thank you in advance J ....

The TEFL test driver (views: 4621)

Online (Online) - Thu, 16 Mar 2006
Posted by Rheno747

By 'fake' I mean an actual fake (counterfeit) document. I don't know where those are commonly made up in the world, save for one place. On Kaoh Sah Road in Bangkok you can get a nice fake TESOL made up for around 75 USD. There were two vendors on KSR last time I checked, and I could get fake TESOLS, degrees, press passes, even driver licenses. Higher quality comes with a higher price, but one can always bargain. ....

Re: The TEFL test drive (views: 4453)

Online (Online) - Thu, 16 Mar 2006
Posted by Henry

I half agree with Rheno747. But rather than a fake I'd get a cheapo certificate and at least have some basic knowledge before setting foot in a classroom. Otherwise you'll be flummoxed when your new boss asks you simple questions like, "Can you teach the Present Perfect to the Intermediates today?" But sure, don't spend loads of cash till you've got a year or more under your belt. ....

Books on TEFL can help (views: 4530)

Online (Online) - Thu, 16 Mar 2006
Posted by Rheno747

If I were getting into TEFL today, knowing what I know today, I'd check out a book on TEFL from a local public library, study it, then go get a fake cert made up. There is no way I'd pay good money for a TESOL course only to end up teaching the apathetic students I teach. ....

Re: TESL certification (views: 3983)

Online (Online) - Wed, 15 Mar 2006
Posted by Guy Courchesne

Why not try checking with potential employers first, to see what requirements they'll have? That way, you can avoid the propaganda and see what's real. ....

A great advantage of living in Thailand (views: 4288)

Online (Online) - Wed, 08 Mar 2006
Rheno747

One advantage to living in Thailand is one can eat well easily here. Back in the west, 'eating well' is sometimes difficult, and may even be expensive. It's so easy to find vendors in Thailand that sell fresh fruit and vegetables, most of which is free of the pesticides that poison our palates in places that have supposedly higher standards of living. If you prefer to live in a place where an apple doesn't cost more than a greasy cheeseburger, mo....

Another new COMIC (views: 4269)

Online (Online) - Tue, 07 Mar 2006
Brian Boyd

Dear Teachers At http://www.grammarmancomic.com I've added another new title. Captain Spectre is a comic with graded language, so it's suitable for the EFL classroom - and it comes with a lesson plan too. Hope your students enjoy it. Brian ....

Re: Another new COMIC (views: 4566)

Online (Online) - Tue, 14 Mar 2006
Posted by eigoman

I like the incorporation of graded language, Grammarman. The first one you posted here about punctuation, while well done, wasn't necessarily of great use in most EFL classrooms. ....

What's this "age" business ANYWAY??? (views: 4454)

Online (Online) - Sun, 05 Mar 2006
The Arrogant One

To continue my bitching over bias in the ESL biz, let me now attempt to explore WHY so many schools are hesitant when it comes to hiring us "passé" types in preference of younger and less experienced personnel. FIRST OFF, one would normally presume that older teachers have a great deal more to offer to a school and would, therefore, serve as a definite advantage when it comes to creation, interpretation, presentation, and in-class enforcement of....

Yeah, it IS a business (views: 4464)

Online (Online) - Sun, 05 Mar 2006
Posted by Rheno747

You answered your own question. ESL is a business, after all, A.O. I wish I could say otherwise. We are babysitters first and foremost. We MUST keep smiles on kids' faces. Education be damned. We are billboards as well. Our faces are used to sell our schools to bring in more students for us to babysit. We also serve as convenient scapegoats. No matter who is at fault when we have a problem in ESL, it will be our fault, ALWAYS. This is the path of....

Re: Yeah, it IS a business (views: 4326)

Online (Online) - Mon, 06 Mar 2006
Posted by hoodoo guru

Picky me, but let's use EFL to discuss this issue, not ESL. Teaching English to non-native speakers in an English speaking country is very different to pimping and whoring for EF or the Sunshine Kiddies Klub . The students know if they don't take it seriously, they are on the academic/employment scrapheap. Although the education for profit motive is still there, with government controlled institutions running most of the market its not so dominan....

Make way (views: 4221)

Online (Online) - Wed, 08 Mar 2006
Posted by Rheno747

I keep hearing that, Hoodoo. Teaching ESL in a place like the USA is much better, that is, than teaching TESOL in a place like Thailand or China. The weather is great here, but I'm here to work, not lounge around. Do you have any room behind your burned out car for one more? ....

Re: Yeah, it IS a business (views: 4504)

Online (Online) - Mon, 06 Mar 2006
Posted by The Arrogant One

AMEN, BRETHREN! Business is business, while ESL is no exception to the principle. Christ on a bicycle, guys, WHY wasn't I smart enough to use my education to some financial advantage? SURELY, my parents MUST have dropped me on my noggin when I was too young to wage a meaningful protest! So, here I am, at this relatively late stage of the game, screaming about how abominable conditions are in ESL while totally cognizant that relatively little has ....

Re: Yeah, it IS a business (views: 4523)

Online (Online) - Mon, 06 Mar 2006
Posted by Raoul Duke

The Rhenoceros is spot on. It's the same in China. Teachers over 60 will definitely encounter more obstacles. Yeah, it's perceptions and the old health/energy thing. Go ahead: tell me this isn't true in the West. Within that, schools here come in 3 layers: 1) Skanky schools, often in the worst locations, who are just happy to have any Western foreigner they can wrangle at their embarassing salaries. These schools don't care much how old you are, ....

Right on, brother (views: 4476)

Online (Online) - Tue, 07 Mar 2006
Posted by Rheno747

Great post. Classic, actually. Now if the young guns would get their acts together, perhaps we'd hear more from them as they give testimonies of the 'tricks' and loopholes they found themselves the victims of. Each post here adds a tiny kernel to the bin of truth in TEFL. That bin is pretty full now, at least in my eyes. Like I've been saying for nearly a year in my posts--TESOL ain't about teaching foreigners English at all, surprise, surprise. ....

Re: Right on, brother (views: 4769)

Online (Online) - Wed, 08 Mar 2006
Posted by Raoul Duke

Thanks again, Rheno. You've added some good points. There is indeed a lot being said online about what happens in English schools. The problem is, you can't always tell much about the facts or about the author. Nearly of the schools ARE dodgy, from my experience and from years of hearing reports, and this includes the universities and public schools and everything else. But there are a few good ones out there. Has to be. A statistical certainty. ....

So TESOL is a NORMAL gig.... (views: 4572)

Online (Online) - Wed, 08 Mar 2006
Posted by Rheno747

"....some of the finest, brightest, funniest people I've ever known have been ....

Re: So TESOL is a NORMAL gig.... (views: 4791)

Online (Online) - Sun, 12 Mar 2006
Posted by Raoul Duke

Don't get carried away, Rheno. Not sure I'd ever apply the word "normal" here. ;-{) Raoul ....

ABnormal? ABsolutely! (views: 4765)

Online (Online) - Tue, 14 Mar 2006
Posted by eigoman

I think that is what I like best about it!!! ....

Re: ABnormal? ABsolutely! (views: 4834)

Online (Online) - Fri, 17 Mar 2006
Posted by Rheno747

Yeah, I know what you're sayin'. Stay or go, I will NEVER forget my time in TESOL. I've seen some rather interesting things and met even more interesting people since I got into this. I've learned a lot about people in general and even a few things about myself. Nope, nothing's been routine about my life the last two years. ....

Newsflash! Japan's largest chain school set to enter Taiwan language school market (views: 4433)

Online (Online) - Fri, 03 Mar 2006
TESall.com

Nova expansion: Japan's largest English language chain school set to enter Taiwan's commercial language school market Visit TESall.com's headline news ticker for more on this and other English teaching news stories. ....

Re: Newsflash! Japan's largest chain school set to enter Taiwan language school market (views: 4735)

Online (Online) - Tue, 07 Mar 2006
Posted by eigoman

Taiwan's buxiban market is in for a shake-up! The head honchos at Hess et al. can't be sleeping too well these days. ....

Breaking down the breaking news (views: 4692)

Online (Online) - Wed, 08 Mar 2006
Posted by TESall.com

Check out Fred Shannon's blog for more information on Nova's pending expansion to Taiwan. ....

Nova's evolution as an employer (views: 4827)

Online (Online) - Tue, 14 Mar 2006
Posted by eigoman

Good read. Good blog overall, actually. Nova used to walk the fine line and walk it well. It wasn't a great place to work, but it wasn't bad, either. It seems to be trending more and more towards bad now, and all the while growing bigger and broader to boot. ....

The Prestige Factor for a First-Time Teaching Traveler (views: 4715)

Online (Online) - Thu, 02 Mar 2006
Steven K.

I qualify to teach in Europe (second passport) but I'm most interested in Latin America. The JET Program has been recommended to me and Thailand sounds pretty good as well. Where should I go if one of my primary goals is to set myself up for future success by kicking my overseas career off with a teaching experience in a market might be considered harder to crack and a better place to build the skills and experience needed to further myself profe....

Re: The Prestige Factor for a First-Time Teaching Traveler (views: 4492)

Online (Online) - Fri, 03 Mar 2006
Posted by Peter

Not sure entirely what you mean by markets that are *harder to crack* or what sort of skills you are hoping to gain for further professional development. Saying this, I thought I might suggest Central or Eastern Europe as an option. In years gone by I was able get jobs in CZ and Poland that helped no-end with my professional development – both through being offered jobs that I might not have been considered for in more *popular* destinations an....

Questions (views: 4303)

Online (Online) - Fri, 03 Mar 2006
Posted by Rheno747

What's your background? Do you have a bachelor's degree? Master's? Ph.D? Do you know anything about these countries you're interested in, such as pay, flight reimbursements, requirements for getting visas, and/or requirements to teach? Some countries require (real) bachelor's degrees, and some require a TESOL/Celta. Some countries pay well, some pay not so well. Some will give you a reimbursement on your flight there, others won't. Have you check....

Re: The Prestige Factor for a First-Time Teaching Traveler (views: 4164)

Online (Online) - Thu, 02 Mar 2006
Posted by Raoul Duke

If you want to be taken seriously as a teacher, God help you, then your choices in Western Europe will be by far your best bet. Japan might be your next best bet...but not necessarily. Depends on what kind of job you get there. Can't vouch for Latin America, but here in East Asia we expat teachers enjoy roughly the same status and prestige, both locally and internationally, as the people who roll cattle dung for fuel. We are routinely hired for u....

I, for one, am sick to hell of bias in the ESL marketplace! (views: 4433)

Online (Online) - Wed, 01 Mar 2006
The Arrogant One

I realize I've many times addressed the issue of age discrimination in ESL ... but CRIMINY, folks, after all this time, it seems strange to still have to face such ridiculous bias in a field which, by virtue of its boundless international involvement, should represent itself as a cornerstone of equality and fairness. As it strikes a personal chord for all of us active teachers over 50, I believe it warrants much closer examination and subsequent ....

Again, check out the e-billboard here (views: 4628)

Online (Online) - Wed, 01 Mar 2006
Posted by Rheno747

A.O. you should check that annoying, flashing e-billboard here. That board has pictures of groups of 'old guys' like yourself (and myself). Nothing like a little subliminal hint of what the ESL industry REALLY wants, teacher-wise. No, I'm no young buck. My face is not the best to use on flashing e-boards. But I also don't appreciate my face being used to help sell a school to potential students' parents (and their wallets). I'm not a babysitter. ....

Re: I, for one, am sick to hell of bias in the ESL marketplace! (views: 4057)

Online (Online) - Wed, 01 Mar 2006
Posted by Peter

AO - I enjoy reading your posts on this and other sites but have just one thing to ask and hope that you dont take it the wrong way... You see... when I click to go thru to your post i know that I am going to be confronted by a large wedge of text that will make my eyes water... Any chance of breaking the text up to managable chunks... say a new paragraph every 4-5 lines... just to make it a bit easier on the eyes... Would be much appreciated... ....

Re: Eye-watering paragraphs (views: 4351)

Online (Online) - Wed, 01 Mar 2006
Posted by The Arrogant One

Dear Pete, Thanks so much for you kind communiqué. It was GREAT hearing from you. OF COURSE you are right in pointing out the extensive length of some of the paragraphs I employ in my posts ... while I have by no means taken your opinion the wrong way. Like so many writers, I fear I will often tend to get overly-enveloped by my thoughts, resulting in a desire to produce clarity at the risk of being exaggerative and/or repetitious. Mea culpa. Not....

Trusted Recruiters in China (views: 4927)

Online (Online) - Wed, 01 Mar 2006
clive

Hi All Just a very quick question - has anyone used a really good, trustworthy recruitment agency in China?? I have been receiving emails from SO many but I'm unsure as to who is actually genuine....especially as so many of them use hotmail/yahoo email addresses! Any names/contact details of GOOD recruiters would be VERY welcome. Best Clive PS - I have been approached by Elite ESL and New Times International - they both sound too good to be true ....

Re: Trusted Recruiters in China (views: 4917)

Online (Online) - Wed, 01 Mar 2006
Posted by eigoman

Check out the sites listed at the bottom of any of Raoul Duke's posts. Also, try the recruiter and school review search engine at the top of this page. ....

Re: Trusted Recruiters in China (views: 5180)

Online (Online) - Thu, 02 Mar 2006
Posted by Raoul Duke

Thanks, e-man... If you look at many of my posts you'll also find my opinions that recruiters in China ain't nothin' but a bunch of mangy dogs. There may be a good one or two somewhere, but the odds of you coming across them are infinitesimal. There are a thousand sites (including of course good ol' TESall) listing teaching jobs in China and elsewhere. There are a million teaching jobs waiting to be filled. Find some that match your preferences a....

Raoul, I thank you (views: 4421)

Online (Online) - Thu, 02 Mar 2006
Posted by Rheno747

Raoul, thanks a ton for the post. I've just visited your (is it 'yours'?) site and I'm impressed. I get tired of the biased, interested TEFL types bragging on and on and on about how great teaching in China is. It's good to have someone come here and tell it like it really is. I wish there were more of us, brother. But.......if there were more of us, I would have never gotten into this. ....

Re: Raoul, I thank you (views: 4562)

Online (Online) - Mon, 06 Mar 2006
Posted by Raoul Duke

I tried earlier to say Thanks to Rheno for the kind words. I tried earlier to say nice things about our own sites and about TESall. Thanks to the management for the heads-up about missing posts. I feel better. ;-{) Raoul Raoul's China Expat Saloon http://chinateachers.proboards17.com/index.cgi Nate's China School Review http://www.chinaschoolreview.net ....

To Raoul: You too? (views: 4759)

Online (Online) - Tue, 07 Mar 2006
Posted by Rheno747

Raoul, are you saying what I think you're saying? Surely you haven't been censored here! Oh sweet holy white jesus no! Let me tell you my earth-shaking secret: I've posted many messages here that never made it to the site. I guess they were just too truthful. I'd guess probably 1 in 5 simply vanished for several weeks maybe a month ago. ....

Re: To Raoul: You too? (views: 4659)

Online (Online) - Wed, 08 Mar 2006
Posted by Raoul Duke

I've had a few not come up. I'm preferring to think of them as aberrations. Hope I'm right. Raoul Raoul's China Expat Saloon http://chinateachers.proboards17.com/index.cgi Nate's China School Review http://www.chinaschoolreview.net ....

Moderating the International Job Discussion Forum (views: 4888)

Online (Online) - Wed, 08 Mar 2006
Posted by TESall.com

Raoul, none of your postings have ever been deleted as an act of moderation. We have a queue of stuck posts dating back to last fall that includes about twenty total submissions, a number which is unfortunately still growing. That is why we are in the process of converting to a phpBB format. ....

Re: Moderating the International Job Discussion Forum (views: 4724)

Online (Online) - Thu, 09 Mar 2006
Posted by Raoul Duke

Never believed otherwise. Never had a reason to suspect otherwise here...which I really appreciate. Raoul ....

Re: Raoul, I thank you (views: 4624)

Online (Online) - Mon, 06 Mar 2006
Posted by hoodoo guru

Gee Raoul, you sound so damn nice I might even join your forum. Now, where is that URL? ....

Re: Raoul, I thank you (views: 4728)

Online (Online) - Wed, 08 Mar 2006
Posted by Raoul Duke

Why, that URL would happen to be: Raoul's China Expat Saloon http://chinateachers.proboards17.com/index.cgi Nate's China School Review http://www.chinaschoolreview.net However, I think our immigration quota for Hogans (Australians) is all full up now. ;-{) ....

Re: Raoul, I thank you (views: 4846)

Online (Online) - Wed, 08 Mar 2006
Posted by hoodoo guru

Raoul my old friend, its impossible to have too much of a good thing. You know that. ....

Re: Raoul, I thank you (views: 4531)

Online (Online) - Wed, 08 Mar 2006
Posted by Raoul Duke

I agree with you, Hoodoo Mans. Can't have too much of a good thing. But what does this have to do with Hogans??? Raoul ....

Perfect site to post your experiences working abroad (views: 4465)

Online (Online) - Mon, 27 Feb 2006
Luke

if anyone has anything they want to say about working for a specific employer say it at www.rateyouremployer.org. I know more than a handful of people would be more than happy to read of some first-hand experiences! (and as the webmaster, I would obviously be very appreciative to those kind souls who could contribute - thanks) ....

Re: Perfect site to post your experiences working (views: 4474)

Online (Online) - Tue, 28 Feb 2006
Posted by Henry

You may not be aware but they have companies outside of the USA. On your "browse" page you only happend to be able to browse the US states. Where can we rate your Geography teacher? ....

Grammarman Comic (views: 4346)

Online (Online) - Sun, 26 Feb 2006
Brian Boyd

Hi to teachers all around the world, Why not try Grammarman comic in your lessons? http://www.grammarmancomic.com There's lots of other free stuff besides comics on the site, and much more on the way. If you think your students might enjoy brushing up on grammar using the comics, please give them my address. Thanks! Brian ....

Tell me ... WHY? (views: 4554)

Online (Online) - Sun, 26 Feb 2006
The Arrogant One

WHY do we become teachers? I mean REALLY? Lately, I've pondering over this more and more. Perhaps this is because I'm 68 and, in the eyes of many, I'm "all taught out" or I'm bitter in the face of my current relative inactivity. No, dear friends, I assure you it's neither of these. It's just that I have taken the time to evaluate the current ESL situation here in Los Angeles and, in many cases, have noted the lack of productivity on the part of f....

Teaching without certification (views: 4625)

Online (Online) - Sun, 26 Feb 2006
Christina

Hi. I was wondering if anyone knew how easy or difficult it is to find a teaching job in Turkey without TEFL or ESl training? I have a BA and a Masters Degree in Criminal Justice. Any advice on this would be very helpful. Thank you, Christina ....

What I know about Turkey (views: 4301)

Online (Online) - Sun, 26 Feb 2006
Posted by Rheno747

I'm lukewarm on going to Turkey to teach, myself. I went to Istanbul about 4 years ago and I loved it. The coal smoke and the sights reminded me of some city back in West Virginia. Anyway, I KNOW that getting a work visa for a job in Turkey is sort of a pain. It seems you must apply for it through, and pick it up from, a Turkish consulate in your own home country. And that process takes around two-three months. No, you can't go to Istanbul, get a....

Legit TEFL schools? (views: 4210)

Online (Online) - Tue, 21 Feb 2006
fyrefly

I was wondering which programmes are real, legitimate programmes and which ones are money-making scams? I'm interesting in finding a programme (preferably in Europe), but before I put the time, effort, and money into it, I want to make sure which ones are for real. Any advice, comments, etc.? I'd appreciate any help. Thanks. ....

The dichotomy trap (views: 4400)

Online (Online) - Thu, 23 Feb 2006
Posted by eigoman

Choosing a TEFL/TESOL course is not nearly so cut and dried as finding a legitimate school and avoiding a scam. Do some research into the job market(s) you that interests you and find out what employers there request/require. As others here have pointed out before, one perfectly legitimate certificate may not be the equal of another as reputation and recognition vary from market to market and even school to school. ....

Re: Legit TEFL schools? (views: 4424)

Online (Online) - Wed, 22 Feb 2006
Posted by David

Hi!. Have you tried www.fyneformacion.com?. They are in Madrid. Really helpful guys there. ....

Re: Legit TEFL schools? (views: 4470)

Online (Online) - Wed, 22 Feb 2006
Posted by lillylou

www.whichcourse.com is a good place to read about courses. ....